[Stephen Grey]

in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #13278

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Here is the round up of all the survey results we received

I think we can set this to one side now but perhaps keep it at the back of our minds as a prompt and as a riposte to anyone who wishes to suggest that project complexity and the risk flowing from it is predominantly technical

Steve

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in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #13237

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I am sorry I didn’t make it to the meeting today

Don’t want to bore you with all the details but if you enjoy a bit of schadenfreude: power went out 7am on Friday in the storms, we decamped to a nearby hotel on Sunday when promises of restoration times proved unreliable (e.g. “estimated time of restoration 6pm yesterday” verbatim), power came back Monday afternoon, trekked back home on Tuesday and spent 24 hours finding everything we had moved out and back, emptied the fridge into the bin, tried to complete a couple of client reports but PC became unstable and started in a reboot loop, found a way to stabilise it with limited capability and cleared the reports today – so a bit distracted

I have some new survey responses to include in the results and will do that shortly

Keen to understand where we might be headed next

Steve

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in reply to: ICCPM Complexity Mindset #13236

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Tony

 

I like that set or principles

Steve

[Stephen Grey]

in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #13013

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Richard

 

The paper seems to have failed to upload

 

Steve

The problem is the file size – ICCPM only allows files around 3MB to be uploaded

David – can you provide the link so we can get it from the source?

Cheers

Davin

[Stephen Grey]

in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #13009

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For those able to seek a small number of additional survey responses, the link to send people is

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/WGB_V2

If there are any issues with this don’t hesitate to contact me via this forum or directly

Mobile  +61 412 223 256

grey@broadleaf.com.au

[Stephen Grey]

in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #13007

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I mentioned earlier that the survey approach used to explore concerns about complexity draws heavily on the Cognitive Edge Sense Maker tool

I have built the same survey design in Sensemaker using my limited demo license

Anyone who is interested can see it and click through the questions here

https://collector.sensemaker-suite.com/collector?projectID=c2d95961-dc6f-4f56-bd99-4c96c3acbd67

 

See you tomorrow morning

[Stephen Grey]

in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #12998

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I am always inclined to cast the stakeholder net as widely as possible

 

Your comment did make me reflect that there is a difference between the people responsible for Governance, those very senior stakeholders, and the formal processes of Governance – policies, procedures and rules

[Stephen Grey]

in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #12982

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USING THE INITIAL SURVEY RESULTS

I don’t want to seed fixed ideas into the discussion but here are a few thoughts on the survey results.

1. I encourage everyone to look at the results, perhaps find a response you made in the appendix to the most recent notes and look at where your responses fall within the overall set of results.
2. While the weight of responses is towards matters concerning human interactions, there are a few in the technical, planning and design space.
3. Governance doesn’t rate much of a mention on its own but there a few that look like a mix of governance and stakeholder management.
4. It is interesting that while concern for data systems was not absent from the responses, it was not strongly rated in its own right, contrary to a common knee jerk response to complexity – measure and monitor more rigorously.
5. Thinking about the interface between this group and WGA, my initial thought is that support for teamwork, stakeholder relations and similar matters is perhaps a more important objective for tools seeking to support the management of complex projects than the Big Data style of systems. Visualisation and communication of complicated factors and relationships might be a point where synergy will arise.
6. The sliders show a strong interest in flexible governance and management but no clear lead on how to improve the way we manage challenging projects, whether to buy or build people who can deal with complexity.

With more inputs it might be possible to gain insights into some of the outliers.

Any thoughts on the survey exercise and process will be most welcome as well.

 

[Stephen Grey]

in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #12979

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Apologies once again for the messed up algebra affecting the initial results. I have redone the calculations and confirmed them by several means so I am now confident that the latest plots, in the attached document, are sound. This is more like they should have been from the start.

I probably couldn’t have done it if I tried but the mistake seems to have rotated the plots sixty degrees. Now that is fixed, the results seem a lot more plausible.

Team and stakeholder management is in fact the main focus, as I thought it would be. It is interesting to note that there are some outliers. These can be instructive – to see what makes something out of the ordinary, which can provide insights into the factors at work.

This cockup highlights the value of using a properly designed tool instead of hacking your own together. The Survey Monkey part was easy enough but the data analysis and display was not.

I am setting up the same design as this survey in a demo version of Cognitive Edge SenseMaker to show how it could be done. The demo version has a limit of 20 responses so if we wanted to go further with this I think we’d be looking at a basic SenseMaker licence.

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in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #12977

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I am adding the latest survey results to the summary and I have spotted an error in the maths I used to turn the ternary co-ordinates into X-Y co-ordinates. I lifted it from something I did a couple of years ago and missed a point.

I am sorry about this. It doesn’t change the slider graphs or the primary data, just the way I have plotted it.

I’m alternating between kicking myself in the backside and reworking it. Should have the corrected charts out late today or over the weekend.

We have a total of twenty responses now although one did not use the ternary plots or the sliders, so it’s nineteen effective inputs.

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in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #12882

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If we confine it to the Fellows, as opposed to the wider ICCPM membership, I think it can go as is

Someone seems to have unblocked the forum

It was taking a day for some of my posts to appear

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in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #12880

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Survey update including an overnight submission

I might have already posted it but the forum seems to take a day to show a new post and I can’t tell if I did or not

Please note that the triad signifier is a core element of the Cognitive Edge SenseMaker design, mocked up in Survey Monkey to test the idea of the survey

Moves are afoot to explore the possibility of implementing it in SenseMaker so we can cast a wider net after offering it to the ICCPM Fellows as a trial run

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in reply to: General Discussion – MRC SIG #12873

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Overnight, we gathered three more responses, making eleven in all

A summary of the responses is attached

 

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in reply to: General Discussion – MRC SIG #12868

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MEMBERS

We have 8 responses to the pilot survey

If anyone intends to respond, which only takes about 5 minutes, it would be great if you could do so before Thursday morning when the next WGB meeting will take place. It would be useful to have as much material as possible with which to see if the concept is working before deciding what to do on a broader front.

The survey is at https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/WGB_V2Thanks

Steve

 

[Stephen Grey]

in reply to: Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity? #12825

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Some suggested edits

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