Forums Managing Risk in Complexity SIG
(MRC SIG)
Working Group B: What principles are important in dealing with complexity?

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 483 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • Sebastian Winter
    SIG Community Manager
      @stephen-suminguit
      Post count: 42
      Up
      0
      ::

      Hello MRC SIG.

      Ahead of launching the Analytics in Complex Projects Special Interest Group (ACP SIG) next month, we are seeking insights regarding our Special Interest Groups and access to the meetings.

      We want to better understand your needs, so if you are able to, please spare 5 minutes to complete this 6 question survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/M9Y9JP3 

      If you have any questions, or want to make a comment/feedback that isn’t included on the survey, please send an email to marcomms@iccpm.com

      Sebastian Winter
      SIG Community Manager
        @stephen-suminguit
        Post count: 42
        Up
        0
        ::

        Hello MRC SIG!

        We are resuming meetings on Thursday 6 June at 8:00AM AEDT, and invite you to join.

        If you have not yet received an email from ICCPM with the Zoom details, please reach out to marcomms@iccpm.com

        Looking forward to seeing you online.

        Sebastian Winter
        SIG Community Manager
          @stephen-suminguit
          Post count: 42
          Up
          0
          ::

          Hello MRC SIG!

          We would like to invite MRC SIG Members to join us at the 2024-25 International Roundtable Series. The first workshop will be in Canberra on the 23 May followed by an exciting program of Australian, international and online workshops.

          The theme for this series is ‘Rethinking Boundaries in Complex Projects: Navigating the intersections and interplay of functions and stakeholders across the project lifecycle‘, and we will be exploring the evolving nature of project disciplines, the implications for complex project leadership, and whether it is necessary to extend the scope of projects beyond traditional completion points and domain functions.

          The full schedule is available now:

          • Canberra – 23 MAY 2024 8:30 AM – 4:00 PM AEDT
          • Online – 30 MAY 2024 8:30 AM – 10:00 AM AEST
            • 29 MAY 2024 3:30 PM California, USA (PDT)
            • 29 MAY 2024 4:30 PM Mexico City, MX (CST)
            • 29 MAY 2024 6:30 PM Ottawa, CA (EDT)
          • Ottawa, CA – 17 June, 2024, 8:30 AM – 4:00 PM (EDT)
          • London, UK – 20 June 2024, 8:30 AM – 4:00 PM (BST)
          • Ho Chi Minh City, VN – 24 June 2024, 1:00 PM – 5:00 PM (ICT)
          • Adelaide – 20 SEPT 2024 8:30 AM – 4:00 PM (ACST) – TBC
          • Online – 15 OCT 2024 2:00 PM (AEDT)
            • 4:00 PM Auckland, NZ (NZDT)
            • 8:30 AM New Delhi, IN (IST)
            • 10:00 AM Hanoi, VN (ICT)
            • 11:00 AM Hong Kong, HK (HKT), Singapore, SG (SGT)
            • 12:00 PM Tokyo, JP (JST), Seoul, KR (KST)
          • Sydney – 21 NOV 2024 8:30 AM – 4:00 PM AEDT
          • Brisbane – 27 MAR 2025 8:30 AM – 4:00 PM
          • Online – 30 APR 2025 6:30 PM (AEST)
            • 9:30 AM London, UK (BST)
            • 10:30 AM Paris, FR. Berlin, DE. Rome, IT. Stockholm, SE (CEST)
            • 10:30AM Johannesburg, ZA (SAST)
          • Melbourne – 21 MAY 2025 8:30 AM – 4:00 PM AEST – TBC

          Registrations for the 2024-25 International Roundtable Series are open for many of our workshop locations across the Series. Registration is essential.

          More information available:
          https://iccpm.com/roundtable-2024-25/

           

          Ian Mack
          Participant
            @ian-mack
            Post count: 120
            Up
            0
            ::

            Team – If (a big if) we take up ICCPM’s request to consider complexity mapping, and based on a small amount of my Internet reading (there is a significant amount of interesting material there), it resulted in some initial thoughts by me, as one who has never used the technique. And while not that surprising perhaps, I found them of potentially practical value. (See the attachment) They might even jog thoughts by others, especially those who have been trained in the use of the technique.

            PS – Stephen, thanks for the references steer, some gems within those references.

            For consideration – Ian

             

            Attachments:
            You must be logged in to view attached files.
            Stephen Grey
            Participant
              @stephen-grey
              Post count: 104
              Up
              0
              ::

              Ian

              It probably was my name you saw

              I haven’t really explored complexity mapping as a method but I have written one or two pieces on complexity, as much to push my own thinking as to convey information to others, although I hope some people found them useful

              The papers I’ve put up on Broadleaf’s web site referring to complexity are at https://broadleaf.com.au/?s=complexity

              I was particularly pleased with Complexity – What’s new? https://broadleaf.com.au/resource-material/complexity-whats-new/

              The ideas set out in  Charles E. Lindblom’s paper describing two approaches to decision making in public administration (The Science of “Muddling Through” 1959) are a simple and powerful explanation of limits on the quality of decision making

              I was also very pleased with Figure 3 – an attempt to illustrate people with separate views interacting to develop a shared understanding. It’s set in the context of the anecdote circles practice but other approaches to bringing people together might easily achieve the same goal

              simon springate
              Participant
                @springates
                Post count: 24
                Up
                0
                ::

                I would be interested in participating in discussions/ events around complexity mapping

                Robert McMartin
                SIG Chair
                  @rmcmartin
                  Post count: 44
                  Up
                  0
                  ::

                  Greetings all,

                  ‘my apologies for not being available prior to this, life has been interesting to say the least.

                  i would be happy to be involved in the Complexity Mapping, it is a tool I have been using for a number of years, since I learned it many years ago.  It is a very useful tool, so would be interested to see what difference have developed since I last attended the course.

                   

                  Rob

                  Tony Graham
                  Participant
                    @tony-graham
                    Post count: 18
                    Up
                    0
                    ::

                    I am happy to review ‘complexity mapping’ although I have not studied it to any depth.

                    The art of leadership is simplifying complexity. I often used the ‘swopping pieces/pawns’ analogy on a Chess Board until the strategic essentials emerge. I view mapping itself as less important than being able to ‘see’ through the clutter of complex mapping or complex real life to find the key driving issues that can be influenced to make the whole work better. The main challenges for mapping should become evident when trying to dealing with mapping perception issues (the mappers not seeing all the factors or the true complexity) and in dealing with unknown events.

                    It is clearly a useful tool and I’m sure I will learn a lot from others on the topic.

                    On timings – like Ian Mack (Can) – my ability to join in will depend the (UK) hours.

                    I now have wifi in the new house – so that makes life a lot easier

                    kind regards

                    Tony Graham

                    Ian Mack
                    Participant
                      @ian-mack
                      Post count: 120
                      Up
                      0
                      ::

                      Hi Davin – I am prepared to listen and learn more about ways to make complexity mapping useful, without practitioners having to dedicate a team to it for months-to-years on end (given the dynamics at play in complex projects) – or methods to us machine tools to ease the human capital burden significantly. The other area I am wondering is whether we might generate a long list of the things we have collectively seen go wrong in complex projects, as a sort of “forest of complexity-driven risks and dependencies”, from which project staff members could pick and choose as they execute projects? (And I saw a “Stephen Grey” in one of the articles I pulled off the Internet on complexity mapping – you Stephen?) Also of importance will be what our product would be – another paper, or maybe a webinar instead, or just feeding notes into some other group focused on complexity mapping – our thoughts and our review of that group’s work?

                      As for Naomi’s suggestion, a would like to be flexible, but would prefer that we not go too much later in my evenings – the tyranny of distance. But if the group wants to go midday, I am happy to bow out and read on-line of the Working Group’s posted thoughts. I am sure there are other much smarter people out there who might want to gather at another time that fits Australians better – although the end of the working day might also work for me, depending. As I will have  little to offer on complexity mapping for practitioners, I should have no vote in that regard.       Ian

                       

                      Stephen Grey
                      Participant
                        @stephen-grey
                        Post count: 104
                        Up
                        0
                        ::

                        Davin

                        I am interested in providing feedback on complexity mapping when the time arises

                        Thanks

                        Steve

                        Davin Shellshear
                        SIG Chair
                          @davin-shellshear
                          Post count: 162
                          Up
                          0
                          ::

                          Hi Group B

                          ICCPM are undertaking work on complexity mapping and are keen to get feedback from our group on their work when it is ready to share. I don’t have a date for that yet.

                          Are you willing to apply your expertise and experience in helping with this document?

                          Naomi has also suggested:

                          Thank you for the update on the SIG. I hope rather than taking a break, I can suggest having less frequent meetings for a while. The minimum we set is four meetings per year…and you dertainly exceed that! This might also be an opportunity to have a couple of meetings at different times to maybe engage some of the ICCPM Members who have expressed interest in joining the SIG. They may have some new ideas for areas of investigation. Even if the conversation doesn’t lead to a report, I’m sure members would value some free flowing conversations

                          Is this of interest to you?

                          Cheers

                          Davin

                          Andrew Pyke
                          Participant
                            @mr-andrew-pyke
                            Post count: 41
                            Up
                            0
                            ::

                            Thanks Davin, Ian and colleagues, for the productive few years.  Hopefully we have helped some PMs.  It was wonderful to learn from each other, throughout.  “au revoir”, I suspect, rather than “goodbye”.  :-)

                            Ian Mack
                            Participant
                              @ian-mack
                              Post count: 120
                              Up
                              0
                              ::

                              Thanks Davin for your amazing dedication to so many meeting transcripts (and this one too that I will review), and for your insightful but subtle group leadership. And thank you to all who have participated to date for enriching my learning. Until next time, be curious!   Ian

                              Davin Shellshear
                              SIG Chair
                                @davin-shellshear
                                Post count: 162
                                Up
                                0
                                ::

                                Hi Group

                                Attached is the transcript from our meeting on 21st March 24.

                                There is so much good material in this meeting – I recommend it as worthwhile reading to all.

                                This is our final meeting for the moment, we have decided to take a break until one of our members comes up with a topic that inspires all to meet together and continue our good work. The group has produced 4 major papers over the last couple of years, and it it a real credit to those who have participated and contributed to our work.

                                I have learnt much from the meetings and am grateful for the hard work, the open sharing and good intent of all those involved. Thank you to all.

                                Until we fire up again, cheers and thank you to ICCPM and all those who have contributed to this very successful enterprise.

                                Please feel free to continue to use the forum to share ideas, maintain contact and work together for the good of all.

                                Cheers

                                Davin Shellshear

                                Attachments:
                                You must be logged in to view attached files.
                                Davin Shellshear
                                SIG Chair
                                  @davin-shellshear
                                  Post count: 162
                                  Up
                                  0
                                  ::

                                  Hi Group B

                                  You probably know about the CHAOS report, but just in case:

                                  The Standish Group has published the CHAOS (Comprehensive Human Appraisal for Originating Software) Report for nearly 40 years. In it, they have chronicled the failure of many IT projects to be delivered on time, within budget, and with all promised functionality (scope). According to “CHAOS 2020: Beyond Infinity,” only 19% of all IT projects achieve this lofty goal (on time, within budget, and with all scope). This just might be the worst statistic in the last 40 years of CHAOS Reports. Many projects will of course achieve a combination of some subset of these goals (e.g., timing and quality, but not scope and budget), but very few achieve all.

                                  See

                                  Portman, H. (2021, January 6). Review Standish Group – CHAOS 2020: Beyond Infinity. Henny Portman’s Blog. https://hennyportman.wordpress.com/2021/01/06/review-standish-group-chaos-2020-beyond-infinity/

                                Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 483 total)
                                • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.